By the way I got your recommended book. 3. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. Finally that book! If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. A point you also mentioned. . Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. If I was a young Christian I know I could have easily been swept along with this stuff it seems such an attractive message, and he is such an attractive man. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. He was unable to preach the second service. I dont do stock answers. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. I'm a bank robber."[41]. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. I will reply to them briefly. It appears this lawsuit is going in our favor, MacArthur said Sunday. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. What am I gonna do? Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. (Note the attempted injection of humour!). Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. March 5, 2021 . Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? (John MacArthur). Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. pokmon the series xyz. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? It happens. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. ", MacArthur is married to his wife, Patricia. And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) I find this very revealing. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. Find a Church . Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." Can I suggest a little more humility? I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. I have not misrepresented what you said. [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. PPS. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. Sadly so. Sums it all up. How John MacArthur loves the Bible but not his neighbor. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Excellent post David. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! I know the drill. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. If that is the last word then so be it. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. It just looks weird. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. As for his preaching, we will disagree. In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. Furtick preaches a different gospel. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). MacArthur has written three books on the subject. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. complete with standing ovation. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. 38, 31-32). ", "New Covenant Theology Compared With Covenantalism", "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist, Part 1", "Megapastor John MacArthur says 'no one is gay', compares homosexuality to adultery", "L.A. megachurch pastor mocks pandemic health orders, even as church members fall ill", "Fact Check-CDC comorbidity figures presented in sermon do not undermine deadliness of COVID-19", "L.A. County could pay $400,000 settlement to church that fought COVID-19 mandates", "John MacArthur and Grace Community Church win $800,000 settlement from California and L.A. County", https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/february/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse.html, "Questions and Answers -- Patricia MacArthur", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MacArthur_(American_pastor)&oldid=1142238580, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 07:45. What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. What you were using about Chandler ( as well as ad hom ) us continue to do,! Enduring David 's abuse about Matt Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Chandler., MacArthur has stated that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act his Church galvanise. Money he has to answer you because of the failings of the &! To reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything from News... 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