Craig Sisson, 52 And his dad would get up and preach this and browbeat everybody to death to do their kids that way, but David didnt have to live that way. Always interesting to hear a different perspective. He promises that there will be no cover-up. You had to really look. When all of this happened with our church in Garland, his dad didnt want to hear it. Anything., While reshaping the morals of his followers, Hyles also set about empire building, Independent Baptiststyle. The 1990 book details the affair and many other misdeeds, including a Watergate-like coverup of affairs and sexual abuse at First Baptist. The autopsy revealed trauma and numerous broken bones in various stages of healing. This is a truly sad case. He pastored a church in Texas and was found to be having affairs with 14 different women. That is insane! ________________There was definitely a door between their offices [Jack Hyles and Jenny Nischiks offices]. Each of these testimonies agree in major points that should cause any Bible-believing preacher to reject Jack Hyles as a gross hypocrite who was unqualified to be a pastor and as a cult leader rather than a true shepherd under Jesus Christ. My older brother became another version of my father. Cindy cut off her own sister, Linda Murphrey, who left the cult and has spoken publicly in Ted talks about how her father was abusive, hated her mother, abused church members, and enjoyed his affairs while preaching condemnation to others from the pulpit. He left nothing to his children. In this, his views were severe unto merciless. However, the same deacons who investigated and fired Jack Schapp also investigated the charges of adultery against Jack Hyles and exonerated him.. (The bus ministry still operates today.). Do I have any reason to believe that the Hyles dont love each other? Early in my life I learned that there was one thing that could kill a festive mood at a dinner party. Much of our material is available for free, such as the hundreds of articles at the Way of Life web site. I have sat in his office and he in mine. Things we do not want copied and distributed are "Store" items like the Fundamental Baptist Digital Library, print editions of our books, electronic editions of the books that we sell, the videos that we sell, etc. There was a door knob there, but it looked like part of the paneling, and there was a picture hanging there, so you really had to be studying to notice that there was a door there from his office. I met him fresh out of high school. Head thrown back, eyes squeezed shut, mouth gaping, he began rubbing the shaft rapidly with the cloth, up and down, up and down. Linda Hyles Murphrey | The Jim Baumer Experience Tag Archives: Linda Hyles Murphrey Walking Away Posted on September 8, 2018 Walking away from fundamentalist Christianity was a pivotal event in my life. After three semesters at a school that from the outside seemed like it was blessed by God, once I was on the inside (as a student) however, nothing was as I expected. And even turned his own children against their mother. Either by her own choosing or by inability or by unreasonableness, she never did meet those expectations. Tags: Jack Hyles. That boy had not one rule for his life. Subscribe to one or more of our free e-mail newsletters to get instant updates on local news, events, and opportunities in Chicago. Hyles eventually abandoned the churchs Southern Baptist theology, saying it was too liberal. Breaking Free: Linda Hyles Murphrey Speaks At TEDxOjaiChange. Wearing a gray blazer, a red patterned tie, and dark pants, clutching a Bible in his left hand, he stopped in front of the TV cameras and planted a long kiss on his wife, Cindy, 52. Speaker: Linda Hyles Murphrey Date: April 5, 2012 Event: TEDx Conference Continuity 1. Victoria says: August 20, 2012 at 12:35 pm. But I wondered: If my dad had been taken off his self-constructed throne long ago and people had known the full truth about who he was, perhaps Jack Schaap would never have been given the liberties, the complete lack of accountability, and the power that eventually led to his own demise. He told people to shun me., Leaving First Baptist was in Busbys opinion like leaving a cult. THE TESTIMONY OF JACK HYLES OWN DAUGHTER. I, too, witnessed a lot of hypocrisy growing up in a Baptist church, but my unbelief and rebellion was my own fault and not something I could blame on others. According to a blog called Fallen in Grace, written by someone identifying himself as David Hyles: I have no intention of defending myself. I sat in the pew, gazing at the colonnaded pulpit, bright white under a spotlightthe spot where Schaap had given his infamous Polished Shaft sermon. Rev. When you do submit, be prepared to endure excruciating pain. Schaap did not respond to an interview request made through Porter County Jail. . Instead, the silence was golden, and it still is. He will abhor that which is evil (Rom. THE TRUTH is that all the property belonged solely to the First Baptist Church of Hammond. I entered a bit after the 6 p.m. start time, ducked past the crimson-coated ushers, and found a seat in what I eventually realized was the section reserved for the deaf. Jack Schaap will be sentenced to prison this week and, as I type this, I am weeping for him and for my sister. Other items we sell to help fund our very expensive literature, video, and foreign church planting ministry. By sifilings. He would write the Sunday lessons, and he would teach the teachers what he wanted them to say on the Wednesday night before the church service, says a former member. The Illinois Department of Children and Family Services investigated, but the cause of death could not be determined. At Hyless prompting, the congregation gave him a standing ovation. Now if I walked up to you tonight and I said to you, Ive got something I want you to drink . I asked Rick Ross, whose nonprofit institute maintains an online archive of data on cults and controversial movements. . Hyles arranged for Jennie Nischik to work as a secretary in an adjoining office in the late 1960s, and she would not allow her husband to touch her by 1971. Her feelings of regret are understandable, but all of this is in God's timing. Third, men naturally tend to have their eyes on big men rather than on the Lord. Many rumors and much slander developed, some of which continues to rattle around to this day. . Oh yes, we doooo. Evidence was provided by Vic Nischik, a long-time deacon at First Baptist, proving that Jack Hyles stole the affection of his wife (Hyles secretary), even if he didnt actually commit physical adultery with her. Nischik twice tried to present the matter before the deacons of First Baptist, but he was shut down. Founded in 1887, sleepy First Baptist had a mostly well-to-do congregation, many of whom commuted to jobs in Chicago. I think back to the utter immorality of the fundamentalist sect that ran by high school and college. Linda Hyles Murphrey - The Jim Baumer Experience. I dont know if there is right now. If you dont see it, dont believe it. Only then, he would growl, will you become a polished shaft: one suitable for Gods bow. The preacher quoted 1 Thessalonians 5:22, Abstain from all appearance of evil, but Hyles brazenly replied, My people need to trust me.In 1971, Hyles, without his wife, took Jennie and three other women to Hawaii and stayed in the same hotel, being the only male in the group.In a scene right out of some cheap romance novel, Hyles arranged for Vic Nischik to sleep in the basement of his own house and to pay rent to Jennie. The blows should be painful and should last . Dr. Linda Lowes, a physical therapist and researcher specializing in the assessment of neuromuscular dystrophies, is a principal investigator in the Center for Gene Therapy and a research associate professor of Pediatrics at The Ohio State University. He lifted a stick in his left hand and a silver cloth in his right. Several people who grew up at First Baptist recall that parents took the instruction to heart. Oh, God, that hurts! he shrieked. Incidentally, Paula and I have volumes of stories to swap, and it is interesting to see just how similar they are. YES. Brother Evans daughter was one of the ones that David had an affair with. They didnt go on a vacation without asking my dads permission, and if he had said to drink the Kool-aid, Im not kidding, they would have. The flock grew to include prominent business leaders such as Austin Jack DeCoster, the former egg mogul who by some estimates has given tens of millions to First Baptist and has two church buildings named for him. People lined up to give cash to him and his only son, David, who was following in his footsteps. Joseph D. Combs, 63 Were there problems, particularly in the latter years? last year) recognize that it is clearly a cult. Linda Murphrey is one of the daughters of the late Jack Hyles. Hyles made driving out these northern liberals his first priority. I used to joke that people would not rearrange their living room furniture without help from Brother Hyles, says Jerry Kaifetz, a former teacher at First Baptists Pastors School who left the church around 1990. At a grand jury inquest, David Hyles exercised his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. They will no doubt tighten the reins some, says Glover. (You know well the horrifying effects doing so can cause, don't you?) He used his temper as a form of control.. Trisha LaCroix, the former Hyles-Anderson student and one of the sites administrators, says she has heard from hundreds of people who have shared stories of abusemental, physical, and sexual. You see, he had taught us that the best way to please God was to please him, because he was Gods man. We will see that Jack Hyless own daughter and Judy Nischiks daughter both believe that the two had an adulterous affair.Regardless of whether Hyles actually committed physical adultery, he was unquestionably guilty of a grossly improper relationship with a woman who was not his wife, and was thus disqualified to be a pastor. His dads philosophy is if I didnt see it I dont believe it. We were taught to not question and to take the man of Gods [Schaaps] word over everything, says Julie Silvestrone Busby, a former First Baptist member who now hosts a Christian radio show in Iowa. And my dad did nothing but cover it up. Hated her. I pity you for you will be experiencing the consequences of your actions for a very long time. helped salvage what was left of my self-respect. Within a couple of years, his flock had swelled to 4,000, earning Hyles a far-reaching reputation. (She left the church in 2010 after her husband, a prominent member of the congregation, was caught having sexual relationships with underage girls. The saddest realization is that it has all been under the guise of Christianity. We could never even tell our best friends what went on in our home, because we might be the cause of the destruction of his ministry. COLUMBUS (WCMH) The Gahanna Division of Police says a woman found dead in her residence on Brookhill Drive was most likely the victim of a murder-suicide. You had to really look. Brother Hyles didn't own anything at the church. Linda Murphrey: "The lies we had to keep were 'for the sake of the ministry'". Hyles-Anderson College appears to be struggling, too. THE TESTIMONY OF JUDY NISCHIKS DAUGHTERLetter to Jack HylesFrom Judy (Nischik) JohnsonOctober 1, 1986As I am sure you are well aware, my husband and I are moving to the Los Angeles area this month. Ive never been able to say the c-wordand anyone from the church who reads this will take great offensebut thats what it was like.. In 1972 came the crown jewel: Hyles-Anderson College, an unaccredited divinity school where would-be pastors are taught to export the Hyles approach to churches across the country. You could see their family from our back door. Sermons on the scandal rang out from pulpits across the country. David was a blatant liar. With God's help, I will make my life in California everything that He would have it be and, unlike you, will not fall. He told lies that he couldnt possibly get away with. Why he lies about that I will never know. He died a multi-millionaire. There was definitely a door between their offices [Jack Hyles and Jenny Nischiks offices]. My 21-year-old radar told me he was a fraud. He hated my mom. You call him a liar. Hyles lied about the existence of the door, saying, There IS no door, which was technically true at the time, since it had been removed after the matter became public! . The belief was that women needed to be in complete and total submission to their husbands and to male leadership, says a former member who requested that she not be named. Instead, he spoke of doing more for the church, of stepping up, of trying harder. Every member was in complete obedience to my father. Even Southern gospel music was sick and sinful and of the devil, says Busby. Tags: Crime & Law, Print-Specific Tags - Feature, Writers - Bryan Smith. You only know about him from a distance and years later. I dont know if there is right now. The sermon was called The Polished Shaft, and in the many times that Jack Schaap, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Hammond, had delivered it, it was the kind of showstopper that made him a rock star to his flock. By the time he took charge of the 44-member Miller Road Baptist Church in Garland, Texas, in 1952, he was a full-fledged, fire-breathing, stem-winding spellbinder, blessed with a booming preachers voice, a savants recall of the Bible, and a charisma that could almost magically levitate people from their seats to surrender their lives to the Savior. Rock music was out, of course, as was any music with a syncopated beat. Including Linda Murphrey, Hyless daughter. There are still many, many victims out there, says Busby, herself involved with a group of former First Baptist members who have their own abuse stories. 2. Before the judge, if Schaap wasnt exactly defiant, he was far from submissive. Join Facebook to connect with Linda Murphy and others you may know. But to the congregation of First Baptist, it was all in a days preaching. Despite two eyewitness accounts, Ballenger denied the charge, was released on bond, and returned to the church. In fact, she kept it covered with a curtain. You could still see it from his office. We thought to make him happy, we would hate her too. Ross points to a landmark 1981 Harvard study on cult formation, which suggests that all cults, destructive or not, share three elements: an Yet, you have failed with the most precious gifts God could have ever given you your wife, your children, and now, your ministry. In 2000, Joseph was sentenced to 114 years in prison; Evangeline got 65. That decision and my close friendship with your ex-daughter-in-law (you remember her, don't you?) I thank God for giving me the sense to decide not to become one of the neurotic puppets you employ. I mean when I was dating David, the books that Hyles has written on teenagers and dating, we never did one thing that he taught. Columbus, OH 43205 ( map) Learn more about Linda Pax Lowes. Hes never said that he loved Mrs. Hyles. After she and her husband hit a rocky patch, they turned to Schaap for counseling. He came and went as he pleased. . The saddest realization is that it has all been under the guise of Christianity. Biography. No person has perfect knowledge or perfect memory about events that occurred years in the past, and it is always possible to quibble about some detail of someones story, as any court trial would demonstrate. Posted on September 8, 2018 by Jim. Incidentally, Paula and I have volumes of stories to swap, and it is interesting to see just how similar they are. And his dad would get up and preach this and browbeat everybody to death to do their kids that way, but David didnt have to live that way. . We stayed with the Busbys for a few days, and then moved into a condo project near the school, where many other students were living. Kindly, Linda Hyles Murphrey is a liar on many counts! Every time we talked he would ask me if we kissed, and I would say yes, and he would ask me real intimate questions about when we kissed and what happened when we kissed. And my dad did nothing but cover it up. boymom August 11, 2012 at 11:11 am Right back at ya, babe. I dont care how much he demanded personal loyalty. What was it that you used to say, 'Little leopards have spots because big leopards have spots'? There was no question who would succeed him: Hyles had been grooming his son-in-law Jack Schaap ever since his own sons prospects had plummeted. His daughter, Linda Hyles Murphrey, recalls her mother and father arguing over his many affairs with church members. He divorced his wife and married one of the 14. Instead, the silence was golden, and it still is. All we ask is that you give proper credit. August 6, 2012 Darrell 594 Comments. These are sharable. Hes never spoken of her in endearing terms. Busby is far from the only person to compare First Baptist to a cult. Things we do not want copied and redistributed are items like the Fundamental Baptist Digital Library, the print and eBook editions of our books, etc. He claimed that he had long heard reports that Nischik was immoral, but the following important observation must be taken into consideration in this matter: Throughout all of this, Hyles being privy to most if not all of it by his own testimony, Vic remained a member in good standing of the First Baptist Church, song leader in Dr. Hyles own adult Sunday School class, choir member, a key worker in the bus ministry (where the pickings would be delightful among love-starved, fatherless, teenage girls), a trustee of Hyles-Anderson College, a financial adviser and assistant who helped him obtain a $1,500,000 loan for the purchase of the Hyles-Anderson campus, as well as a respected deacon in the First Baptist Church! He moved him to another church where he was found to have had 17 affairs with different women, and he just recreated what he had seen my dad live. One of Schaaps adult children, Kenneth, has mounted a letter-writing campaign to the judge. The answer is definitely yes and there are a hundred people who know that. Author: jimbaumerexperience.com. The author of this book, Cindy Schaap, has now divorced her husband b/c he's in prison. Many people have an attitude of, S. Linda Murphrey. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, ack Hyles is dead, but his life and testimony matters. You are also welcome to use excerpts from the articles. We can see men, but we cant see the Lord except through faith, and the preacher who is not walking by faith in Gods Word will be a man pleaser. They also corrected a previous repo I dont care how overbearing he was. How true it is. He owned our lives, and we didnt dare cross him, because we were too afraid we would lose everything. I told his dad about that. Other items we sell to help fund our very expensive literature, video, and foreign church planting ministry. 594 thoughts on "Breaking Free: Linda Hyles Murphrey Speaks At TEDxOjaiChange" For example, after Schaaps conviction, many church members blamed his victim as a temptress. Leverages . In 1985, Stevenss 15-month-old son, Brent, was found lifeless in his crib. Scandal followed the younger Hyles. He left everything to the organization, which my younger sister and her husband now lead. The effect was powerful, and it inevitably produced the desired result: swarms of male teenagers trance-walking their way to Schaap (pronounced Skop), ready to commit their lives to becoming pastors. Goal:Distributed by Way of Life Literature Inc., the Fundamental Baptist Information Service is an e-mail posting for Bible-believing Christians. Add a bio, trivia, and more. This story has been revised to reflect the following: Correction on 12.11.12: The print version of this story, appearing in the January 2013 issue of Chicago, incorrectly stated that former First Baptist Church member Julie Silvestrone Busby received marriage counseling from Schaap in 2004 and 2009. I'm Jennie Nischik's daughter. And I was the one who was made to look like the bad guy in both instances. Christopher Settlemoir, 29 27 An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.. Jack Hyles was a personal friend. (He says he is not familiar with the details of First Baptist.) His current job: pastor of Grace Baptist Church in Miami. With your own insecurities and personal failures as your driving force, you have quite simply played havoc with an entire church, some of my dearest friends and worst of all, my family. I knew the man. Never. Schaap continued to rub the stickup and down, up and downand converse with God, sometimes angrily, sometimes ecstatically, for more than a minute. Walking away from fundamentalist Christianity was a pivotal event in my life. After the divorce, Jennie moved into a brand new $150,000 condominium at Hyles generous behest. (DeCoster left the egg industry in 2011 after his companys products caused a massive salmonella outbreak.) Perhaps the saddest of all her statements was that the rest of her family will not likely admit that they were wrong. While most of the lower level was filled, sections of the sweeping balcony were deserted. This, of course, was well after his son, Dave, had wreaked havoc on the youth department and had moved on to terrorize more than one church in Texas. I anxiously await the day that I can say with all honesty, "They did the right thing". In light of the firsthand testimonies that have been published, this pastor is simply closing his eyes to the truth, for whatever reason. Brother Evans daughter was one of the ones that David had an affair with. in graphic detail, recalls Tom Brennan, who attended the church for six years and is now an Independent Baptist pastor at Maplewood Bible Baptist Church in Chicago. At first, Busby says, it really seemed like he wanted to help us. But soon Schaap was requesting numerous sessions with Busby alone. It probably is one the most . Oh! Unfortunately, it went well beyond talk. When he would counsel me, she says, he would be asking me these shocking questions about sex. But in the process of hollowing you out, he made you very weak., In her first one-on-one interview about the church, Hyless middle daughter, Linda Murphrey, a motivational speaker and coach in Southern California, remembers his followers as zombies who were willing to believe and obey whatever he said. She told me: He used to joke around about drinking the Kool-Aid, but that was never funny to me because I knew that those people really would have done anything he told them to do. When the word of God wasnt enough to entice kids into the buses, recruiters plied them with ice cream, goldfish, pony rides. (Attendance peaked in the early 1990s, when more than 20,000 people came to services each Sunday, making First Baptist the largest church in the nation.) I would just sit there, and he would say, My son David and Paula never single dated, and I would look at David and start laughing and think, This is hilarious; I cant believe that he gets up and says this. His dad gave me six months of sex counseling before David and I got married, and I could nail him just with that and what he said to me. He soon took it upon himself to arrange marriages. If the members of the congregation were heartbroken about what was happening to their church, they didnt show it on this night. For a pastor to develop a romantic relationship with a church member is gross, gross abuse of his position and of his solemn marital vows. ..and stay on our knees in prayer, because Satan is just waiting for the opportunity to strike. FIRST, TO GIVE THE BACKGROUND, LET ME QUOTE FROM THE BOOK , IN REGARD TO HYLES RELATIONSHIP WITH JUDY NISCHIK. In passing, it is interesting to note that Hyles evidence against Vic is loose, unsubstantiated, secondhand, hearsay gossip from unnamed sources (Robert Sumner. Linda Murphrey, one of his daughters, recently told the Post-Tribune that she was 2 years old when her family moved from Texas to Indiana. Update information for Linda Hyles-Murphrey More at IMDbPro Contact Info: View agent, publicist, legal on IMDbPro Biography Awards Photo Gallery Filmography Trailers and Videos Hide all | | Edit My dad pastored a church that evolved into a 50,000-member cult. According to Kaifetz, When a guy like Hyles says, This is Gods will for your life, you just say, Well, I guess it is., One area in which Hylesa father of fourexerted particular control was child rearing. . Up until she was about 10, "things seemed very. With God's help, I will make my life in California everything that He would have it be and, unlike you, will not fall. jack hyles jack schaap Linda Murphrey TED Post navigation. Read more about this topic: Jack Hyles Famous quotes containing the word children: Personally, my worthless opinion is that Linda did not like her home life. Linda Hyles Murphrey's testimony is a clear indication of just how wounded those closest to Jack Hyles can be. But all that needs to happen is for the right pastor to come alongi.e., a man with a strong, charismatic personality who is a leaderand boom! The approach resonated deeply with rural Texans longing for a return to old-time religion. Linda Murphrey, one of his daughters, recently told the Post-Tribune that she was 2 years old when her family moved from Texas to Indiana. If you have been helped and/or blessed by our material offerings can be mailed or made online with with Visa, Mastercard, Discover, or Paypal. Ohh! In a show of modesty that would be almost unthinkable in later years, Hyles acknowledged that he didnt immediately set bushes to burning. DeAnda, a trim 30-something who is spoken of as a candidate for the top job, made no references to sex. Eddie Lapina was witness to all of that. How I emerged from such a pit of secret sin, manipulation, and hypocrisy with the slightest interest in my professed religion at all, I do not know. . Forgive me, but the shock and awe of this latest scandal is only felt by those faithful who have turned a blind eye to the systemic corruption and sin that has plagued FBC for decades.So, best of luck. Former pastor of Temecula Valley Baptist Church, Temecula, California, Convicted in 1999 of molesting a 14-year-old girl. Never. You are free to make copies of these at your own expense and share them with friends and family. My understanding is that with all the stuff going on theyve done something with it. You may have convinced your following in the past twenty years that 'it did not happen if they did not see it,' but God has seen every moment of those years, and my faith will not let [me] believe that He will let you go unpunished. Another egregious case was working its way through the courts around the same time. After Nischik went public with the dirty business, Hyles tried to blacken the mans reputation and turn attention away from his own deeds in a self-serving letter he mailed to 60,000 pastors. I take my hat off to Linda Murprhey and applaud her moral courage. The churchs $27 million, 7,500-capacity auditorium, which once strained to fit the congregation, was dotted with empty patches. helped salvage what was left of my self-respect. Movies. Ballengers March 1993 trial was just inundated with people from that church who supported him, recalls the prosecutor, Clarence Murray, now a Superior Court judge in Lake County, Indiana. He moved him to another church where he was found to have had 17 affairs with different women, and he just recreated what he had seen my dad live. He hated my mom. Former pastor of Central Baptist Church, East Chicago, Indiana; current pastor of Grace Baptist Church, Miami, Florida, Convicted in 2009 of felony stalking of a 14-year-old, 6. Nobody there ever drank Kool-Aid. If we have our eyes on Christ and our own personal responsibilities before Him, we will not stumble when men fail us. Of course at the time, I thought this was the devil trying to trip me up. I about laughed in his face. Author: jimbaumerexperience.com. Subscribe for free today! Former principal at Liberty Baptist Academy, Lake Station, Indiana, Convicted in 2002 of crossing state lines with the intent to have sex with an 11-year-old girl, 7. Every time we talked he would ask me if we kissed, and I would say yes, and he would ask me real intimate questions about when we kissed and what happened when we kissed. It probably is one the most significant (and difficult) decisions Ive ever made since. I attended at least 12 Pastors Schools. . In facthe turned to Johnny Colsten, one of the men on the stage with himId like for you, if you dont mind, to drink this.. Linda Hyles Murphrey, a motivational speaker, presented her story titled "From Cult to Courage" at a TEDx event, discussing her hardships as a child of Jack Hyles. Other items we sell to help fund our expensive literature and foreign church planting ministries. 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