Those arent academic poems. Theres an assumption in contemporary literature that writers represent their identities. From the Spring 2018 issue of The Iowa Review. SHAPIRO: The most striking thing about this book when you open it up is that each poem has the same title. Everybody has their own weird thing, and mine is that I like books. JW: Is there a tension between form or aesthetic value and identity? There never was a black male hysteria, a poem about Emmett Till begins, because a fret of white men drove you crazy/Or a clutch of goons drove you through Money,/Stole your money, paid you money, stole it again. In Money, Mississippi, where Till was lynched, Hayes finds in miniature the economic formula that has been scaled up successfully across America: black men are paid with money stolen from their ancestors, only to have it again taken away from them. She cited the practical consequences of allowing hundreds, potentially thousands of past cases be retried. That has helped me deal with the success, because the success still feels very ephemeral or temporary, and it certainly hasnt helped me write poems. It seems like, at midcentury, whatever limitations they had, they had a common idea of literature, which probably valued highbrow modernism, whereas now its much more disparate and up for grabs. JW: So your obligation is to ask questions? You know a lot of things, but you havent spent a whole bunch of time in one area. But there are also parts of my personality that just have to do with some weird thing my mother said to me or that I sat on the lap of a woman that couldnt speak at a piano when I was three years old. I want us to enjoy a meal together, and I cant say its only for me, even though there is a part of meand this is what I like about Ashberythat says, if you dont like it, thats your problem. Sometimes it seems like the New York School, but at other times, its very different. Terrance Hayes is a dazzlingly original poet, interested in adventurous explorations of subject and form. In seventy sonnets written after Trumps election, Hayes manages boundless anxiety with formal innovation. Sometimes it might be confessional, but I do like to make stuff up. In her statement announcing she had filed a brief in the Ramos case, she cited the practical consequences that could result from overturning cases. According to the sociology, boomers are more fixed in their positions and more polemical, whereas Generation X is more polyglot and less oppositional: they tend toward what one sociologist calls the cultural omnivore and dont have as strict distinctions among kinds of art. I think a novelist has to be a strategist of sorts and think this is the general structure Im working out. That informs my teaching, too, and that could be a problem for an MFA student or a young poet who wants a strategy and says, Tell me how to become a successful writer. Id say, I believe in experimenting, and some experiments succeed, and some fail.. He teaches at Carnegie Mellon University and lives in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, with his family. Thats the Stephen King end of things. I also thought, if it didnt work, I could just go back home and get a job there. For decades, Oregon and Louisiana were the only states that allowed felony convictions by split jury votes. Hayes shares what he's learned about the VFW since starting his new position. [2], Hayes was born in Columbia, South Carolina. I dont think anybody is just a poet with no adjectives. Are you making a landscape or a figure drawing when you put the puzzle together? frog waiting patiently at the front gate. of the ball and chain around . Here, cradled amid his wall of books and self-drawn canvases, he shuts down the noise of a thousand thoughts and goes into the quiet of listening to . His own attempt to cook for the first time again hes embarrassed to say resulted in a burnt grilled cheese sandwich. Whats great about painting is that all the different things get absorbed, and then theres still a result. People can come and sit around and talk about work. A white reader of these poems has to think hard about his own commodified analysis of them. They sometimes say, Theres all this new work, and youre still trying to make us read these old white dudes from the canon. Last year at Yale, some students protested, saying, Why do we have to read all these white guys? (Reading) A barn shootout endangering the farm life - I live a life that burns a hole through life that leaves a scar for life that makes me weep for another life. Especially in poetry, although the joys are when its not poetry. I thought, Maybe Ill look at it in a little while. Thats about failure and practice. Its too much; itll overwhelm my courts, and Im like, ok, they overwhelmed a lot of families, Jackson said, and a lot of my neighborhood and my communities, Black communities.. But I had gotten into a habit of working as long as I wanted to on my poems. But Hayes isnt describing canonical melancholy, the pined-for vision of mortality that poets sometimes indulge in. The other thing is what the pronoun I does in my poemsis it a confessional I, an intellectual I? SHAPIRO: (Laughter) Right. The group is seeking support and placing the spotlight on Rosenblum urging her to take action now. She has an opportunity to do right by it, and she hasnt.. Hayes finds Whitmans range without his privilege in a mostly alphabetized sonnet full of threats and phobias: All cancers kill me, car crashes, cavemen, chakras,Crackers, discord, dissonance, doves, Elvis,Ghosts, the grim reaper herself, a heart attackWhile making love, hangmen, Hillbillies exist,Lilies, Martha Stewarts, Mayflower maniacs,Money grubbers, Gwen Brooks The Mother,(My mothers bipolar as bacon), pancakes kill me,Phonies, dead roaches, big roaches & smallerRoaches, the sheepish, snakes, all seven seas,Snow avalanches, swansongs, sciatica, KillerWasps, yee-haws, you, now & then, disease. How did you win this? And I say, I didnt predict any of this. With each book, I think every poem is the last poem, every book is the last book. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. When I stop by McDonalds for a cheeseburger, no one suspects what I am. When people read Sylvia Plath, everyone wanted to write confessional poems. On the one hand, people must want things from you. Assassin, you are a mystery/To me, I say to my reflection sometimes, Hayes writes, acknowledging the part anyone plays in his own existential undoing. Im not asking to get rid of Bach and Beethoven and only to listen to this knucklehead from Atlanta. The case, Edwards v. Vannoy, argued Dec. 2, centers on Louisiana man Thedrick Edwards, who was convicted by a nonunanimous jury of several counts of armed robbery, attempted armed robbery, aggravated kidnapping and aggravated rape. Im interested in Shakespeare, but especially how Shakespeare is in conversation with Scooby-Doo or The Walking Dead. Both of those are equally romantic and equally problematic. Employing an almost improvisational approach to writing, Hayes conjoins fluid, often humorous wordplay with references to popular culture both past and present in his subversion of . I had another poem about my father working in the yard called The Earth God, and I worked on it for about two years. I was just at one on page 37, and it ends in the middle of an interstate rest stop parking lot. So I would hope that in my forties I would be different, more interesting, and know moreand probably be more ambivalentthan I was in my twenties. Whats important for me in that book is the joining of it, making this new object. Thats my attitude in the workshop, too. I feel like thats what I aspire to. Probably twilight makes blackness dangerous. And his answer is its just language, its just poetry. So, if Im talking to someone, and I mention Glenn Gould and Future, or Picasso and Lil Wayne, my mind is always bridging those two things. Hendrix, his blues pedigree whitewashed by hippie culture, is a powerful figure of passionate ambivalence, unsure how to dance in a way that is both black and not black. JW: One downside with the glut of information now is that theres no stable core of references. That might be a better way of thinking about it. JW: So you went to Coker College because they gave you a scholarship in basketball? Hawaii, Florida, Chicago, Atlanta anywhere there was family, he was there, he said. Share Tweet E-mail Race might be part of my identity, but its not the only thing thats there. These adversaries, dreamed up in Hayess poems, are also confined there: I lock you in an American sonnet that is part prison,/Part panic closet, a little room in a house set aflame., The conflict between flight and confinement is built into the form he has chosen. Should I mirror the rhythm of her hips,Or should I take the lead? This grim audit is amusing to figure out: the Z is hidden in disease; the only X I can locate is in the word exist. Hayes nods to Gwendolyn Brookss poem The Mother, about abortion, and invokes Robert Lowell, the Mayflower maniac, whose unrhymed sonnets are a shadow text for this book. As of late January, 201 people with public defenders in Oregon had filed for post-conviction relief, and 50 of them are in Multnomah County, according to data gathered by the Criminal Justice Reform Clinic. I was wired that way from the outset, as a college kid without any concern with where it was going to go or who was going to like it. I dont think about everybody that looks the same; I dont know who those people are, but Im going to feed them. American Sonnets for My Past and Future Assassin. He was the type of professor whose house youd visit, and all my family had met him before he passed. Its all these other things and the more, the better. Trumpet reinforces. That goes to the question of how much you allow yourself to fail in your day-to-day practice. Most black people know thisAbout him. This makes the work morally ambiguous in ways some readers will resist: I suspect that not everybody will recognize blackness as any part, even a rejected part, of Trump, a man whose loathing of black people seems unabashed. Whats going to be left out? I used to do it, but it was taking up too many of my words.) What we can say now is that at least there are more people with opportunities. To go back to your point about the later books, in Lighthead, the first poem begins with a line, I could never get the hang of Time, and the epigraph is a Borges quote from A New Refutation of Time. At some point I realized, even more than fatherhood, even more than parents, even more than race, the thing Im really obsessed with is measuring time. TH: Yeah, but its not always just my imagination. In 2020, the song cycle was made into a film by Opera Philadelphia and released on their digital channel. In Multnomah County, where Blacks are 6% of the population, they represent 45.3% of petitioners. If I see something is wrong, I will say its wrong. What do you think universities can do? Of his son the way one twilight matches another. On the other side, a graduate student is so close to the professional world that they cant help but have those things influence them. And yet I still feel like theres something wrong with trying to force me to support the troops. Hayess talkative poems are, in fact, a form of thinking, fuelled by opposing impulses and contradictory ideas. Jackson was still in prison when he heard about the Supreme Court ruling. Probably someone is prey in all of our encounters. The university seems to be fairly fixed and stable, where James Joyce is more important than Fuck Up Some Commas. But for me, the university is as fluid and as responsive as the culture is. David Remnick talks with Dean Baquet, the executive editor of the Times, and Maggie Haberman, a White House correspondent for the paper, about reporting on Trump and the perils facing American democracy. This thing Im writing is, after all, also called a review. Ive always had a sense of moving into spaces where I felt a little bit different. He calls his mother every morning. I think thats useful, but on the other hand, its not quite satisfying for me. I think he could just sit down, listen to some music every day, and feel like he could make an interesting poem. The former Presidents political and legal challenges are mounting, even as some polls indicate that he still has a lot of support among Republicans. To fuck up some commas is an interesting idea. SHAPIRO: It seems like some of these poems are really grounded in American life today. I could just write a poem for the fun of it, but Id spent all this time as a painter, and my art teacher, whos also passed away now, Kim Chalmers, certainly encouraged me. Thats the procedural crazy in our law that requires a ruling that says, this opinion is retroactive, Kaplan said. Most late nights, the husband, father of two, and full-time professor escapes the "jam of life's traffic" by walking the 14 steps to his third-floor study. It was a room of low-residency MFA people in Tampa, and I said, Half of you are going to get what I say about abstract expressionism, cubism, Rothko, and Picasso, and half of you are going to get The Simpsons, Lil Wayne, and Future, this new rapper. Why do I have to separate those out? None of those were affected by the Ramos decision. But I dont want to be tied to one adjective. He wants to be more involved with his 3-year-old daughter and 1-year-old son by volunteering at school or coaching sports, but his felony prohibits it. Both of them were in the packet I sent to get into Pitt. And you cant force anybody to accept your art; you cant make people take the food that youre giving them. But the big challenge was other people trying to tell me how to fix the poems. The "Racket of ascension" is emblematic of the social progress that results in the upgrading of one's social rank. And there's a way that it changes slightly, and then there's a way that it's kind of relentless. After missing out on his kids, he wants to make the most of his time with his grandkids. So thats my big question: am I the one thats limited and theres a way to do this thing, or is it the genre thats limited? It might take years before the Oregon State Supreme Court takes on a case that has made its way through the often lengthy appeals process so it can issue a judgment on the retroactive application of Ramos. States are allowed to use their own retroactivity test, and we do not know whether Oregon will follow the federal standard or come up with its own state test, Kaplan said. [7] He won the National Book Award for Lighthead[1] (in which he invented the "golden shovel" poetic form). Im not saying its confessional, but it gives more texture to your work if you can figure out how not to close off those rooms. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Track teams are so big, they dont usually give them. Years ago, I was on a panel with a guy who is a political and social poet, and he said to me, You know, at some point you do have to choose sides. Why? On May 27, 1999, 22-year-old Terrence Haynes was standing on the porch of a friend, Gary Hammond Jr., in Kankakee, Illinois, when 18-year-old Cezaire Murrell walked up the sidewalk, shoved a man out of the way, and came onto the porch to confront Haynes. In the Ramos case, three dissenting justices were concerned that states could face a potential tsunami of litigation if all active cases with nonunanimous jury convictions were invalidated. That would be the Ashbery kind of poetry. "Terrance Hayes is an elegant and adventurous writer with disarming humor, grace, tenderness, and brilliant turns of phrase. Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt doesnt have the same discretion as Williams. to see him on the basketball court. He can quickly rattle off their ages 9, 5, 2, 3, and one that is almost a year old though birthdays may prove to be more difficult. by Major Jackson. You are beautiful because of your sadness, Hayes admits. I was a visual artist, too, so I got offers from Savannah College of Design, but they didnt have any sports, and they didnt give me enough money. I was just doing a Q and A and bouncing between The Simpsons and Picasso. How can I make my students better equipped as writers or readers or whatever? In my body of work, thats what Im aiming for, and I never can get it. My dad said, Maybe you should major in business. If he had said that when I was eight years old, I probably would have done it, but it was too late. My interest is not what people expect from me as a poet; I know I can make burgers, but can I make sushi? He, Jackson and hundreds like them all convicted by nonunanimous Oregon juries hope to have their cases retried after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a Louisiana case last April that such verdicts are unconstitutional. The names alive are like the names, In graves. Probably all my encounters. Why do we have to read Shakespeare? I know because an article came back to me that said, You should read Shakespeare and Terrance Hayes. I agree with that, and I dont see why it cant be both. Jeffrey J. Williams: You use a variety of forms, you sometimes draw from popular culture, and your poetry changes from book to book, so it would be hard to define you as one kind of poet or from one school. Above all, hes waiting on Rosenblum. NPR's Ari Shapiro speaks with poetry reviewer, Tess Taylor about Terrance Hayes' new collection American Sonnets for my Past and Future Assassin. In seventy sonnets written after Trump's election, Hayes manages boundless anxiety with formal innovation. You say it's really inventive. That might be true, but I think for the last ten or fifteen years, Ashbery wrote the same book. Or in a poem Ill talk about Ol Dirty Bastard and Othello. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. He was a Yankee and he was generally bored and impatient with everything about the South, but he liked me and he thought I was special. In the second and third books, Hip Logic and Wind in a Box, youre experimenting more with form, whether it be the sonnet or other patterns of repetition. Why only Shakespeare, when theres this other stuff thats happening? The New Yorker may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. TH: The thing that I appreciate with an undergrad is the freedom of writing and not connecting that to professional aspirations. I think about the next poem, because Im always thinking I could do better, and have I done the best I can? Could you run a press? I smile at Ronald's poster, perpetual grin behind the pissed-off, fly-girl cashier I love. But Im still trying to get people to the table. TH: Right, Intro to Creative Writing. So maybe thats a form of ambivalence. The desire to want to feed people is not a bad desire. Because I wasnt in a class and didnt have to turn it in at the end of the week and revise it and turn it in again in a portfolio at the end of the semester, I could just work. His name was Jack French, and he actually called up Maya Angelou for me when he was trying to convince me that I could do this. When Im at a conference thats full of formalists, they say, Oh, youre a formalist; if Im at an African-American retreat, people say, Yeah, youre an African-American poet. Im interested in form; Im interested in culture. All my flaws and quirks and neuroses, they fit just as well as the scarring that comes from racism or masculinity, and I dont want to have to cut that off. Doing that, she argued, would re-traumatize crime victims and survivors and overwhelm our states criminal justice system.. Then it was three years, and I was done. This story was amended March 22, 2021, to clarify that Rosenblum would not handle Hayes post-conviction relief case because he is no longer in custody nor is he on post-prison supervision. Its so erotic! And then for the next year, I was working on a poem that was totally a Keats imitation. But I think it is my personality that I can pretty much go into any room where people speak English and navigate around that room in terms of engaging with what theyre doing. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. Or am I going to break a line here? But Id say thats always been true. Hayes's first book of poetry, Muscular Music (1999), won both a Whiting Award and the Kate Tufts Discovery Award. Students should be able to bring us the now, and we should be able to bring them the research and the history, and then that middle ground is what the academy is. So an experimental workshop asks, Why were you trying to do this? TAYLOR: Well, again, it's interesting in that poem that I just read where he says, assassin, you are a mystery to me, I say to my reflection sometimes. YouTubes privacy policy is available here and YouTubes terms of service is available here. Part of that is just obsessive-compulsiveness, which may be in my personality. JW: Its hard to get around the question of jobs and the shrinkage of the academic profession. I still need it to be more relevant, and the stakes have to be a little deeper. Its still an open-ended process. Even though I had not done that much poetry, it seemed cheaper. But clearly the cool-blooded Amphibian-American does not agree. Where theres an experience, Im thinking: Is this going to be converted to a lyric moment? shelved 32,633 times. TAYLOR: Perpetual - yes. Dave Killen/The OregonianThe Oregonian. JW: Related to art, theres been a lot of critical writing about postmodernism and different kinds of theories, and you mentioned Benjamin. SHAPIRO: Why do you think it's important that he calls these all-American sonnets? Responding to the person in front of you and their potential and interests, and challenging those potentials and interests, seem to me benchmarks for a program. My default answer to just about everything in the world is, Man, Im just going to go write a poem. When things get rough, whether its grading student papers or paying the bills or a fight with my wife, my default answer is to write a poem and just forget about all of it. TH: I dont know how negative that is. Maybe I can, but I need to try that. That doesnt mean automatic release. TAYLOR: And then there's these other moments where it's really unclear who he's talking to. My approach to life and my work is not strategy. TH: Thats a great question. Im a student of poetry, and I feel like everythings on the table, and I can use it all. Maybe youll try this? And maybe well generate poems that arent done or finished, but at least weve made something new. Its like James Joyce and Molly Bloom and a fifty-page sentenceJames Joyce really fucked some commas up. Tess, thanks so much. In other cases, such as Hayes, Rosenblum wouldnt directly determine whether a retrial is warranted, but as the states chief legal officer her decision would set a precedent that others would likely follow. People from the outside sometimes look at me and look at how things are going, and they say, You were very strategic. I havent seen that prize. It was launched in February by Zealous, a national organization founded by prominent criminal justice advocate and attorney Scott Hechinger that pushes for more advocacy by public defenders. It's really inventive, right? Allen Grossman said, when people ask, What are your poems about? he says, Poetry, the subject is always poetry. I find that to be very useful as a maker of poems, even though thats frustrating for readers. These cases returned to the county level, where district attorneys could decide whether to retry or take some other action. Im chasing it. But if I dont know that, then the poem will also be about that; it will be about not knowing. Thats a better way of being an artist to me; thats a more interesting artist who doesnt know and is pursuing an answer versus an artist who does know. June 25, 2018. Its a pecha kucha, a Japanese form. That is what I value in a workshop. People come up to me saying, You know, I think of you as a confessional poet. Thats OK, too; I think the word means to be opened up. TH: The other side would be the question of failure. To stay with the food metaphor, you can make something bad. Terrance Hayes is a contemporary American poet born in 1971. Hayes lives in Manhattan, and he and his ex-wife, the poet Yona Harvey, a professor at the University of Pittsburgh, share the custody of their two children. I just try to be transparent and very present, and then see what happens. But his felony excludes him from better-paying federal contracts, he said. The poem breaks down the various oppositionsblack and white, men and womenthat Mr. So whats useful about the Allen Grossman line is to say, what is the puzzle about? So why would I have to segregate them? I thought, Wow, a poem a week? Even now, I really dont show people stuff when Im working on it. The order of those things shifts depending on where I am that day: some days, Im a male poet first, and thats whats really going to inform the work; a lot of days, Im a black poet first and thats whats going to inform it. Terrance Hayes: I have a line in the last book about how to draw an invisible man, and it says, Im trying to be transparent. I dont actually want to be invisible, which is the dilemma of people of color, but I would like to be transparent, so people can see what my issues are, good and bad. You find that out especially as a teacher. They must withstand humiliating sexual reviews to participate in the economy at all: There was black male review for ladies nightAt the nightclub. That gets back to transparency. I learned this stuff in college, and it has become one way for me to understand what metaphor is. The challenge for me in grad school was other peoples timelines. People confuse privacy and secrecy way too much. JW: What was it like when you were in grad school? I can do pretty good figurative stuffLucian Freud is my man. I think for younger people especially, everything is so simultaneous now. Its not like the basketball team. Are those our only options? Instead, Rosenblum is choosing to litigate these post-conviction relief cases in civil court until the Oregon Supreme Court delivers a ruling on whether Ramos applies to past cases. His 2010 collection, Lighthead, won the National Book Award for Poetry in 2010. 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