Marguerite Oswald had a series of bizarre reactions to her sons transgression, forever making her a famous mother to history. From The New York Times Magazine April 30, 1995. I just remember crying a lot because Mom was crying. Both interviews I found in the JFK collection at the Dallas Public Library last November. Mailer is such a great writer; I was just so enthralled. After her death from cancer on January 17, 1981, Marguerite Claverie Oswald was laid to rest in the Rose Hill Cemetery. "We have to get the Government to move before it's too late.". I'm sure he will respond. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. But dad is Dad. ", Under the watch of the Secret Service, the grieving widow and her children stayed with Marguerite at the Inn of the Six Flags Motel outside Dallas. Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy. Want to share an anonymous news tip? There was a problem saving your notification. Is David Lifton still working on a book about Lee? Now, the word father does mean Lee to me, But dad is Dad. [quote name='John Geraghty' date='May 13 2006, 02:49 PM' post='62308'], Dixie, thanx for the interview. Just get out. Citing an extensive collection of government records and personal accounts, Baker argued the governments investigations of President John F. Kennedys assassination, of which Oswald was charged, were flawed. They lived their lives as best as possible. Under the shadow of the stigma. That Lee Harvey Oswald killed Officer Tippit and President Kennedy! Mar Q: What are your thoughts on Norman Mailer's new book?A: I don't have a comment on it as far as its conclusions because I haven't read them, but I did start the book. I have to admit that when I heard that he used to play with me all the time, that was a nice feeling. She didn't feel like Kenneth was her dad. By the end of the year, however, she was ready to travel from Texas to become a student. "A: I've always called him that. A: I remember what I did during that time-out was, I plotted how I could run for class president and win! We lived in poor housing or were taken in by others. https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/30/magazine/lee-harveys-oldest-june-oswald.html. I do blame him for having beat my mother, and not being a good father -- or a good provider. During her talk, Baker criticized newspaper reports that she said inaccurately portrayed Oswald as a mentally unstable communist. daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald spoke on her feeling. See for example this thread and interview: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=659, http://www.jfkresearch.com/marina/marina.htm. WebAbout one year after Lee Harvey Oswald returned from the Soviet Union with his new Soviet wife and young daughter, he became famous when he was arrested on suspicion of killing President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. A: Mom kept us together. We lived in poor housing, or were taken in by others. It started in 1941 with nine students. But see, I'm matter-of-fact about a lot in my life. There were hysterics. It sounds as if most people are not aware you're Lee Oswald's daughter.A: Yes and no. Now, Mom does articles that she doesn't bother to tell me she's doing, and sometimes my name comes up. She looks just like her father, with her mother's eyes. Anyway, the only person I knew up there was Priscilla Johnson McMillan, who wrote my mother's book. We visited the set of "JFK" when it was going on, and somebody said, "Your father was a hero." And there have been public hearings there and in Dallas and Boston. Marina was stunned by Marguerites aggressive publicity seeking and despised her incessant focus on money. I didn't really want to be the center of gossip in this whole building. Investigators searched his home and found this photograph of him standing in his backyard. Although Baker was not in Dealey Plaza when Kennedy was shot, she said she spoke with Oswald 37 hours before. She remains protective of her privacy, distancing herself and her sons, ages 6 and 3, from the overall clique of assassination cultists who have dogged the Oswald women - Marina, now 53, June, and Rachel, 31 - ever since the events of Nov. 22, 1963. It was hilarious.Q: If someone was to ask you today who your father is, what would you say? When I was reading the interview with June and she made the comment abouty getting the, call from someone who had written a song at first I was a little jarred. It made no mention of his brothers infamous place in history. Judyth Vary Baker, the lover of Lee Harvey Oswald, gave her perspective on the medias treatment of Oswald since his death to a group of professors and community members at Loyola University on Saturday in New Orleans. WebLEE HARVEY OSWALD AUTOPSY & EXHUMATION PHOTOS THE REAPER FILES 218K subscribers 294K views 7 years ago This is the autopsy photos, casket photos & 1981 After a quick, makeshift service, Marguerite barely missed a beat before stepping up to a television camera: "Lee Harvey Oswald, my son, even after his death, has done more for his country than any other living human being.". Q: Where do you stand today as far as your perception of what really happened out there in Dealey Plaza? My father is Kenneth Porter, the man I grew up with, the man who was there for my mother and Rachel and me.Q: And if someone were to show scientifically that Lee Oswald was or wasn't involved, that wouldn't make a difference to you?A: It would make a difference in the sense of justice being served. I couldnt remember anything after he was shot, Baker said. Obviously, if I'd wanted to share that I would have told everyone a long time ago. Why are 40+ guests suddenly reading this very old thread, as well as a smaller but still significant number reading an old thread on Marina? DALLAS (WBAP/KLIF News) Robert Edward Lee Oswald Jr., the older brother of presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, has died in Wichita Falls. He said he was frankly surprised at her command of English. I don't know if it's the interview you mean but I have a copy of one with Rachael from 1995 from a publication called 'Texas Monthly'. I would have liked for him to have his day in court. Your Privacy Rights Anyone can read what you share. Q: How did you feel about being singled out? The Q: I'm sure there must have been a lot of unusual incidents as you were growing up. I do remember that our phones were tapped. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. There were a lot of things leading up to that that they wanted Mom to do, and Mom in recent years has gotten more and more involved, I guess because she's getting older and trying to rectify some of the things she may have done unintentionally -- like stating publicly that Lee did it. In her early years, grocery shopping with her mother, Marina, and sister, Rachel, took place amid stares and finger-pointing; hushed conversations ignited around them like flash fires as they walked the supermarket aisles. ", I said I appreciate it, but I really don't get involved in that. Hey Dixie! See, this is the difference. It was her meetings with the Warren Commission, as well interviews with the FBI, that prevented Oswald from coming to Ann Arbor in 1964. Oh great!". She described Michiganders as like the weather crisp and cool. She made no mention of her young daughters, and said she could not provide any interviews because she had a pending book contract. Q: What is the status of your present-day identity? "She never knew when we'd run into someone, and she didn't want us to look like poor white trash"' June says simply. And she recalls her childhood as a "pretty happy" time, thanks in large part to her stepfather. Now, Mom does articles that she doesn't bother to tell me she's doing, and sometimes my name comes up. She is very grateful to the Institute and to the Church.. Q: What are your thoughts on Norman Mailer's new book? I'm a strong woman, but I don't know if I could've kept myself together. I tell her, "Rachel, for all we know, we could have been living in the streets." But it was so funny because Mom talked to them for -- I mean, nobody noticed that the date wasn't there! She got all caught up, because she wants so badly to have this identification with her father. Or are we going to provide help simply because here is a human being in trouble who desperately needs help?. I've never seen her act like that, like she needed to become more of a crusader, and it's taking its toll. It was just kind of eerie. And then she was gone. Her coldness struck me. Well, I was satisfied with my dad, so I've never felt this big need to connect with Lee or do the daughter-father thing.Q: One can't help but notice that you address him as "Lee. If someone has it, I would also like to read it again. Q: Did you see the "Seinfeld" episode in which they're at the ballpark, and they get spat upon, and-. Without any sources, national news outlets began reporting that two women students allegedly attacked Oswald in a campus building. Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald is the second daughter of Porter and her first husband Lee Harvey Oswald. According to the story, Rachel was a miserable, lonely child - her dogs had been I usually end up telling people that I'm seeing very often. This is material I never would have known about insofar as my mother's side of the family, because my mother was illegitimate, you know. A: The last two years have been very stressful, because she started doing things that she hasn't let us know about, then all of a sudden I hear about it or see it on TV. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. And I'll tell you why: It could come up at any minute. And she recalls her childhood as a "pretty happy" time, thanks in large part to her stepfather. I want to make sure they understand why I'm so matter-of-fact about it. Oswald's girlfriend offers variation on JFK assassination. I tell her, "Rachel, for all we know, we could have been living in the streets." It would be great to hear more from Lee's daughters, about the folks who surrounded them as they were growing up. Almost immediately, she began receiving offers of help money, clothing, food, housing from around the country. Rachel loved listening to that. In 1980 she was convinced by conspiracy buffs that the one in Harveys grave was a Russian spy and not Oswald. She should send James Files a letter. There's always been this little group that's followed us - Mom, Rachel and me-and calls us and is fascinated by anything surrounding us. WebFor years, the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. I didn't break down and cry or anything. She believes that her phones are tapped by the Secret Service and the Secret Service wants to kill her. There were some who were quick and hot to say that what we did was unpatriotic. Well, I was satisfied with my dad, so I've never felt this big need to connect with Lee or do the daughter-father thing. During this time, Baker and Oswald became romantically involved, and Oswald gave her details of his defection to the USSR. See the article in its original context from. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. I just remember crying a lot because Mom was crying. I think her physical health and mental health have been damaged in recent years over all of the pressures put on her.Q: After all this time?A: Part of it was the big anniversary, the 30th. And I realize that I'm kind of cold about it, so how do I tell them? I have to remind Rachel that this is the man who beat our mother, who didn't provide for his children. Just get out. Lee Harvey Oswalds youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed President Kennedy, and was shot to death himself. Twenty-eight years later, she granted this TV interview. Raised by her stepfather, Rachel Oswald Porter didnt know who her birth father was as a young child. But she did. So she became sort of a tourist attraction.Q: Your childhood doesn't sound like it was easy.A: Mom kept us together. I didn't break down and cry or anything. A few months later the young family moved back to the United States. WebMarina Nikolayevna Oswald had two daughters, a 21-month-old toddler and an infant born just five weeks before the assassination. You try to be nice because you don't want to make somebody upset who's going to seek you out if they're kooky enough to do that stuff anyway. Porter met Lee Harvey Oswald at a dance in March 1961 in Russia. It's right across from the Capitol, and she was a waitress. Moreover, Porter still lives with her second husband Kenneth, however in private, and is afraid to go out in public. Q: Do you and Rachel argue much about this?A: Yes. So if I'm able to be detached or seem cold and unemotional about it, it's because I look at Lee in those terms.Q: I assume you've seen the footage of Lee being shot by Jack Ruby. By the early 60s it was enrolling hundreds of students a year for intensive courses in vocabulary, composition, and grammar. A: Something had come up where Mom had old boxes of letters out. Oswalds wife Marina, two daughters, brother Robert and mother Marguerite were the only mourners. Tho I have been told that both daughters have been burned. She his always felt really bogged down by it. I have two small children, I'm divorced, I didn't want people to harass the kids.Q: Give me an example of what you'd consider harassment.A: When I was pregnant with my first, some lady got my phone number and called in the middle of the night. Q: To what extent have you followed the various conspiracy theories? For all of Oswalds notoriety, there was little reaction to her being on campus. He was not a communisthe was a Marxist, Baker said, explaining that Oswald agreed with the theory of Marxism but did not participate in communist activities. Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald in 1963, as they prepared to leave Russia for the United States. This photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald was taken in Minsk and was confiscated by the FBI during the Kennedy assassination investigation. This portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald was confiscated by the FBI during the Kennedy assassination investigation. Marina Nikolayevna Prusakova and Lee Harvey Oswald stand in a park in Russia. Like she did a movie and it involved me and Rachel, and she didn't tell us first. I hung up the phone shaking my head at Marguerite Oswald's dizzying logic. Marina Oswald Porter was the Soviet-American widow of Lee Harvey Oswald. So I ended up supporting him. Records: 281. For many years, the widow has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. What do I tell them? Wish there were more, by the family of Lee. The first chapter opens with my family, and he goes way back to my great-grandmother in Russia. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. Mark Porter is the son of Porter together with her second husband Kenneth Jess Porter. The other thing is, you just worry genealogically. We always had this really bad connection, and when you'd pick up the phone you'd hear that other click. By found it I meant that I was looking back through the forum pages and this was posted first in 2004 so I decided to bring it back up to peoples attention. ", John Pic, Lees half-brother, took a particularly cynical view toward his mother's behavior after the assassination. (1963 - 2013) Photos: 50. And there have been public hearings there and in Dallas and Boston. Porter was born in the city of Molotovsk, in Arkhangelsk Oblast, in the northwest of the USSR. And she's just welcoming them with open arms. But see, I'm matter-of-fact about a lot in my life. WebLee Harvey Oswalds youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed President Kennedy, and was shot to death himself. Not so with Oswald. A week later, Campbell met with his congregation and explained the executive committees thinking. Twenty-eight years later, she granted this TV interview. June is quieter about her own marriage, which ended in 1992. Cookie Policy Moreover, she lived there with her mother and stepfather until 1957. Nope. In one test (conducted by CBS News), 13 people were able to duplicate his shots. Four of those people had never fired the Mannlicher Carbiner Others told us that our action was unwise, still others that it was unfair. She copied it and put it on all my staff's desks. We stayed with her for the summer. Porter is 81 years old. She was born after her family moved to Dallas from Russia. Furthermore, two days later he was shot and killed by nightclub owner Jack Ruby while still in police custody. Lee Harvey Oswald also was accused of killing Dallas police officer J.D. If the truth can be found that shows Lee had nothing to do with the assassination, I would feel better in that there have been a lot of things said and done regarding my family that all proceeded from an erroneous perception of what he did or didn't do. Well, that's what Rachel wants to believe. Oswald was considered an average student at the English Language Institute. On February 15, 1962 their daughter, June Lee Oswald, was born. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. The couple wed A: I remember Rachel's seventh grade dance. For years, the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. It was just kind of eerie.Q: I'm sure there must have been a lot of unusual incidents as you were growing up.A: I remember Rachel's seventh-grade dance. She didn't want to listen to anyone. And she said: "I'm so-and-so, and I just want you to know that I've written a song about you -- and your child. Oswald worked sporadically at different jobs, such as a sheet-metal worker and a photoprint trainee. ___________________________________________, Reminds me of Elvis Costello's song "Watching The Detectives.". 1.65 m). Raised by her stepfather, Rachel Oswald Porter didnt know who her birth father was as a young child. Judith Baker, author of "Me and Lee - How I came to know, love, and lose Lee Harvey Oswald," presents an article at a symposium on Sat. I went on a car trip up to the house I had lived in with Lee, Lee's boarding house, another house Mom had lived in with Lee that's still standing, the path of the motorcade, where the bullets hit.Q: How did you feel about that?A: It was -- unusual. Marina Oswald remarried, had a son, and continues to live in Texas. Her two daughters fathered by Lee Oswald grew up to be attractive ladies and ar Q: I guess you must be encouraged that the review board was finally sworn in last year. She kept herself together for us. Porter still lives with her second husband Kenneth, however in private, and is afraid to go out in public. A: Not until recently. Reporters came over and she would tell us, "Shhhh, go in the other room.". But she was not too happy that I had found her and at that moment in time was not interested in. Please get her away from Michigan. I want to make sure they understand why I'm so matter-of-fact about it. You have permission to edit this article. It was always a big deal in November, when it was very stressful in the house. But anonymity exacted a curious price of its own, as June faced myriad graceless references to her father, mother and family. Because some people have called me and said, "I knew your father and he really loved you." Thank you for posting this excellent article. She hadn't read it. That didn't set well with me. There are a lot of assassination buffs who have analyzed all the technical data and the other available material and even they don't agree about what happened.Q: But are you comfortable with the fact that Lee Oswald played at least some role?A: I think there definitely is circumstantial evidence that could imply he had something to do with it because of the characters he was hanging out with in New Orleans. Browse 22 June Lee Oswald had two children, Rachel and June the. So I called my staff in, a group of 10 or so, and I said: "Yes, that is me in the article. It was in Minsk that, in 1959, she met an American, Lee Harvey Oswald, who had defected to the USSR at the height of the Cold War, when tensions between the U.S. and the Soviets were running high. We didn't use the Oswald name, and it didn't come up a lot around the house except when reporters would call. Those who insist that the church should not become embroiled are really pressing for an irrelevant church, he preached. Just in recent years; but yes. The Michigan Daily made no mention of her presence (We just dont think shes news, the editor said). Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald - Everything You Wanted To Know About Lee Harvey Oswald's Daughter - Ned Hardy Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald was born on Q: Tell me about growing up in the aftermath of the assassination. Even an intended compliment could hold hidden barbs - as when a male co-worker remarked on June's resemblance to "a young Marina Oswald," then immediately apologized, saying he "didn't mean to insult her" by invoking the infamous name. I don't know if I could've done it and kept my sanity: two small children, don't speak the language, dirt poor, everybody in the country pointing their finger at you -hating you in some cases. I read this intvu again and if there are two people I'd love to talk to, it's Rachel and June. But she did. Q: If someone was to ask you today who your father is, what would you say? As America's obsession with her father goes on, a daughter tries to set the record straight. Well, there's a travel guide she found out about that actually listed the Texas Chilli Parlor and said the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald worked there. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. She was 23, neatly dressed in a skirt, sweater and winter coat, and looking like a graduate student with books tucked under her arm. He tracked me down. Q: To what extent have you followed the various conspiracy theories?A: It's only in recent years that I've started to get involved in all that, mostly as part of trying to get the records released. Oswald. It might not have told us very much about the assassination of JFK but it provides an excellent insight into what it must be like to be the child of a much hated historical figure. Q: And if someone were to show scientifically that Lee Oswald was or wasn't involved, that wouldn't make a difference to you? Are you able to maintain the same detachment when you see that?A: The first time I saw it I was very upset, but it gets to the point where it almost becomes unreal, this movie you're watching that has very little to do with you as a person. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. I think she is out to make money than if she has to say he is guilty. Another car pulls up -- and that's the parents and the little boy. I try to hold that in the back of my head. Given everything above, you'd probably expect his return to be announced by dozens of men in dark glasses bundling him out the airport and into a mobile interrogation chamber. U-M has had its share of students with famous family ties often parents who are high-profile politicians, Hollywood stars and corporate CEOs. Q: I guess you must be encouraged that the review board was finally sworn in last year.A: Yes, I'm also very excited about that. She said she came to know Oswald while the two worked on a plot to kill Fidel Castro during one summer when she was 19. In her early years, grocery Got a question? Marina Oswald spent hours before the Warren Commission in early 1964. The law said that if they felt that way, then those documents needed to be turned over to the Assassination Records Review Board and those folks would review the records and either concur, release them in blacked out state or release them entirely. Q: What is the status of your present-day identity? He beat my mother. Q: On your relationship with her as well? Oswald's girlfriend offers variation on JFK assassination, Opinion: Put the coke back in coke for the sake of the American dream, A mysterious rave aims to revive the underground electronic scene in Baton Rouge, Why are young adults watching 'Bluey?' WebDespite the fact that the later Warren Commission declared that Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin of President Kennedy, and he acted alone, many conspiracies about the assassination abound to the present day. The APB [all points bulletin] for the suspect of JFK's assassination was described as an early or mid-twenties caucasian male between 59511 in h And I said, "Yes?" WebAudrey Marina Rachel Oswald is the second daughter of Porter and her first husband Lee Harvey Oswald. Where is your respect for President Kennedy?. She said she understood English better than she was able to speak the language. The Gunman and His Mother: Lee Harvey Oswald, Marguerite Oswald, and the Making of an Assassin (Kindle Single), 2023 Smithsonian Magazine Even an intended compliment could hold hidden barbs -- as when a male co-worker remarked on June's resemblance to "a young Marina Oswald," then immediately apologized, saying he "didn't mean to insult her" by invoking the infamous name. "It is my own opinion that she is out right now to make as much money as she can on her relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald," he told the Warren Commission. Images of John F. Kennedys assassination hold a permanent place in the American consciousness. Q: Do you worry about telling your children as they grow up?A: I do. It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of wanting to be judged as June Oswald and not "the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald.". Nice to see you over here. Records do not show who conceived the idea to invite Oswald to study at U-M, only that the person was a member of First Presbyterian who also taught at the English Language Institute. This was before wiretapping got more sophisticated. And I'm gonna be in Dallas, and I want to sing it to you. Reporters came over and she would tell us, "shhhh, go in the other room". Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. Almost immediately, she began receiving offers of help money, clothing, food, housing from around the country. This struck a chord with someone in the congregation who believed the church could help Lee Harvey Oswalds widow through education, assimilation and the English Language Institute. by certain people in the critical communiity, so no wonder they are a bit gunshy. His writing has been published byThe New Yorker, The New York Times, The New Republicand many others. As for what his exact role in the assassination was - well, he'll have to be judged for that before God. Oh great!" In 1965, Marina Oswald [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Oswald_Porter ] got remarried to Kenneth Jess Porter, an electrician who was a neighb But both reneged after learning that the funeral would be outside by the grave rather than in a chapel, fearing the potential threat of snipers. It's right across from the Capitol, and she was a waitress. Judyth Vary Baker, the lover of Lee Harvey Oswald, gave her perspective on the medias In her early years, grocery shopping An ELI official described her as an average student. He said things when we were together like he really wanted to have children because "that would be the blood of Lee Harvey Oswald that was flowing through the kids.". He said things when we were together like he really wanted to have children because "that would be the blood of Lee Harvey Oswald that was flowing through the kids.". A: I don't have a comment on it as far as its conclusions because I haven't read them, but I did start the book. 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