I hand load so my loads are tailored for each gun. Feel free to cite your real world experience that you keep vaguely referring to. An official website of the United States government, Department of Justice. Due to all of these factors, law enforcement orders of 9mm ammo from all major ammunition manufacturers have spiked significantly. Eventually. Case closed. I would want to be shot by the round with less penetration and less muzzle energy, 45ACP, because I have a greater chance of surviving - not that my odds are good either way. I agree with you completely,I like and have both -a DW Guardian in .45 and a sig p365 9mm for carry.The choice on which to carry depends upon where I am carrying and why for that day.I believe the ability to have both options covers more scenarios.Great info BTW. If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry. Don't be scared but owning a gun is a responsibility. The entrance and exit wound will be bigger (with a good hollow point). I'll take the the bigger bullet. Josh thank you for this. "My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns"..For Christ sakes, get him a pellet gun. Prvi PPU 9mm Ammunition White Box PP9124WB 124 Grain Full Metal Jacket CASE 1000 Rounds. All will work to some level of effectiveness if you can hit your target. Your life depends on it. We were issued S&W .38 cal wheel guns. 9mm &357 same caliber but 357 alot more propellant. I think people should think about not only the effects on an intruder but also how they will feel after they have shot someone. Very interesting test. The .357 magnum is definitely a meat eater, and the .44 magnum is a meat shredder. At the end of the day, marksmanship always wins out. A direct hit to the heart or aortic arch can take as long as 8 seconds to result in unconsciousness. Do the math. According to one major online ammo retailer, in 2013 the 9mm accounted for 21.4 percent of all ammunition sales, beating out 223/5.56 by nearly six percent. Its the gun I run classes with and is setup on my battle/SHTF rig. What I read about that encounter sickened me. Had I not already had an investment in 9mm equipment and ammo I would have considered the 45. Most situations are going to involve you protecting/defending yourself with others in the background. Considering that ballistics and expansion have increased for all calibers I like the 45 . FWIW, I find the 45 recoil is "smoother", whereas 9 & 40 seem to be "sharper", making the muzzle flip harder to recover from. I know the kimber is a little bit bigger but from what I can tell not a noticeable difference because the sig comes with an extended clip with a finger grip on it which you would definitely want if you didnt want your little finger to hang off the bottom. I am not an expert, I've never had a bear encounter. A ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will not know the difference between a 9mm & a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a DOUBLE TAP to the CHEST!! 230gr X 800fps = 184000 or PF of 184. Comparisons of muzzle velocities of the 4-inch pistol and the 16.5-inch carbine revealed only a 6 percent increase in velocity with the carbine; any muzzle velocity gain depends on the powder's burning characteristics. heyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. I try to get soft and hollow point ammo for both but it is far more expensive for 7.62 x 51. Also the title of the article seems to contradict his conclusion that the extremes are seperated by a mere 10%. All bullets kill. Just for amusement value (not scientific) I once fired a glock 17 with a fmj 115 gr bullet into a ten inch square creosoted fence post. I also hold no delusions that the US would have defeated the axis powers by itself. The LaserLyte is bore set low to compensate up to 300 yds. In such a case, the permanent cavity is stretched so far, and so fast, that tearing and rupturing can occur in tissues surrounding the wound channel, which were weakened by fragmentation damage. . So I agree with having both. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjW3I71693mAhVGZM0KHXzxCngQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw10DVrk4SswQsgAgCh-Cf28 anything extra and your Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. My non-silenced weapons are 9mm my silenced weapons are .45. If you notice, .40 S&W and .45 ACP have the same average energy, but as I showed earlier, .45 ACP penetrates more on gel tests. The same advancements that the 9mm has received, so did the .45. However neither caliber is magical, as some may believe. Inside the home I find .45 is the most comfortable. Without the hydrostatic shock of a rifle round, wouldn't more organ and tissue damage be most important? It also has a wide selection of ammunition types. I have good friends who shoot .45 and we all get along just fine. A couple of things: 1. So it's infuriating to Americans that Europeans haven't a clue that the US has BOTH a central government and all these states, each of which has its own government and laws, which are often at odds with each other and the federal government's laws. Since the shooter is the main determinant in any weapons efficacy for self-defense, that is possibly the 9mm greatest strength. I am beginning to practice with the 9 mm more. The fastest muzzle velocity of a commercially produced round comes from .220 Swift and it was clocked in at 4,665 fps. Also loud as hell - enough to alert everyone in the house and even if you miss, the intruder is less likely to stick around to hear the mechanics of a pump signaling a second shot is on the way whether they're armed with a piece or a crowbar, unless they intend to harm you, rather than just steal your stuff. Listen--great article but here are thedsalient poinyts. Besides, small guns can be easily supplemented with an extra mag or two or a back-up gun. any lower powder grain ammo with a soft or no jacket on the led.. FMJ loads offer a rigid design for smooth penetration that doesn't deform on impact. Bear in mind that these numbers vary by manufacturer. There are really two types of gun owners who really want to focus on muzzle velocity. YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. Speed, power & high capacity. Hope I was some help. For 'social work' I prefer 40 to 9 or 45(acp) but for the same reasons 10mm would probably be a good choice - but it's no 41 magnum. And by that time I lost interest in learning more. Hi Wyatt, not trying to be a jerk here. This debate of 9 versus 45 just comes down to personal choice with today's ammo. 45 will knock you down and leave a massive wound, far larger than a 9mm. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. the 45 wins hands down over the 9mm. You are right; the soul is eternal, and only God can condemn it to hell, and ultimately to "the Lake of Fire." If you are going to use that short of a barreled P.C.C. Correct. The debate over the 9mm and .45 ACP is one of the most heated conversations in the firearms community. But the idea that the .45 will stop a man in his tracks no matter where you shoot him is preposterous. Statistically this is a dead heat and well within any reasonable margin of error; but remember, the 9mm and .45 ACP wound channels are essentially the same in size, so what is the difference? Compared to the pistol, the average carbine-fired hollowpoint produced slightly less penetration and had a slightly smaller recovered diameter. My personal preference for a home defense handgun is a full-sized pistol chambered in .45 ACP. . Option two; You select a certain ammunition that has been proved to not fully penetrate. (I carry .40 Smith & Wesson or a .45 Auto pistol with concealed carry.) Time to grow up and recognize the difference between feelings (nostalgia, cool factor, historical value etc) and facts. Shoot them both at the same velocity at a block of gelatin. We also use Power Factor in competition which is bullet weight X velocity / 1000. Why would a European war require Brits to fight for the U. S. We helped you with your war, you didnt help us with our war. I might possibly be able to shoot 9mm slightly faster but I seem to have consistently better first shot accuracy with .40 S&W and 45 ACP. Usually i hear 40 cal ford truck fender blah blah blah. I can tell you from my experiences the hotter the ammo the more difference between barrel lenghts especially the 5 & 10, were can i get a job like yours, just shooting. This first is 9mm Trajectory vs .40 S&W Trajectory and the second is the Muzzle Velocity differences between the different barrel lengths when shooting the same standard ammunition. Possibly the only cons of the Glock 30, compare to the Glock 19, being slightly wider grip and more recoil. The thing you are trying to quantify is energy , which 45ACP has less of by a notable margin. Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . Totally agree the new technology of the self defense bullets puts the 9mm in the same class as the 45acp, but I still prefer the 45acp but I carry the 9. The hydrostatic shock of a .45 is inherently greater than a 9mm. In this case, the 9mm has a velocity of 1,150 feet-per-second (fps), while the larger .40-caliber bullet leaves the barrel at 919 fps. 12 RD mags, and 15 RD mags that dont take away from the beauty of the gun. . Both kills, but one kills instantly, the other allows for return fire from your attacker. of energy at the muzzle. Its a battle-tested gun thats played an important role in American history during the 20th century. It could be that when hollow points fail, 9mm isn't going deep enough, and perhaps the FMJ's don't overpenetrate in this caliber as much as others (especially because the most popular FMJ rounds are usually lighter 115 grain bullets). So, the muzzle velocity of a 2-inch (51 mm) barrel is less than that of a 4-inch (100 mm) barrel, which is less than that of a 6-inch (150 mm) barrel. U.S.A. -(Ammoland.com)- Ever since I first mentioned doing a .45 ACP muzzle velocity article, people have been asking me if I would do a follow-up with the 9x19mm. The extension mag wrapped allows for a 'golf grip' & more leverage to handle recoil. An extended double stack .45 mag will give you the larger magazine capacity. I'm just a regular guy, but shot placement would rule my decision. Funny thing though, the administrators weren't the ones facing the enemy and while the 38LC was easy to shoot (basically a 9mm Luger ballistic wise), it did not stop determined attackers so the Army re-issued the 45 Long Colt. Enough with the clownery. Both rounds are more than enough to put a guy down. They experience real world outcomes every day. It's quiet and very handy if you plan on silencing a weapon. When a bullet it traveling at a faster rate, it will not drop as quickly. ps I have always thought, why do "they" argue the 9mm hollowpoints advanced and are the same performance as 45 now. This really is a science, but I benefited from reading a lot before I purchased, whereas my son didn't. Be armed and have the gun where you can access it (LOADED) quickly. I've finally finished up college and paid off my loans, and I'm ready to get back to the range at least weekly to improve my accuracy now that my budget allows. Most clowns that shoot at you arent steady.Theyre nervous and excited.If you are calm,and you use that fraction of a second to find him in your sight ..one shot from a 45 will end the situation. Testing conditions were 50 degrees Fahrenheit with full sunlight. I may not always be there. I find it funny that people pretend that modern ammo has only improved the 9mm. I couldn't decide, so I bought (built actually)BOTH! It took me 30 years of my fourty being here to get it. He pulled out a 9mm round and a 45 acp round and held them both in his hand. I'm still on the fence about it though. You can claim you understand muzzle energy but you don't. Thats the amount of energy even cautious self-defense experts consider adequate for self-defense. Proponents of the spray say that the spray is more effective, because you don't have to worry about getting out your gun and having the presence of mind to get on target in a few seconds. Get free updates when we add new tips, articles and more! Thanks for bringing our gun culture forward Cody! In fact, if one conducts these tests, one finds that there is nothing that can be observed which supports the assertion that the faster one drives non-expanding solids the deeper they penetrate.Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. These are the ammo that most departments use. More velocity, bigger size, more magazine capacity, great penetration, manageable recoil, compact frame. The 9mm carbine is rapidly replacing the 12-gauge shotgun in many areas of law enforcement, because it holds more ammunition, makes hits more easily, and has negligible recoil. Bullet Jacket: Copper. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". Interestingly, the 9x19mm rounds generally produce higher muzzle energy which, as we all know from Newton's 3rd Law, produces an equal and opposite reaction. The 22 TCM is just a steroid version. Loved the part about the advancements in ammunition. It fires slow and heavy bullets at a lower muzzle velocity than the 9mm and can be suppressed to near-whisper levels. If you need your first shot to count more than anything, then why aren't you carrying a .357 magnum? HAH! Not to mention, the 9mm brings less recoil, making it an easier gun to handle especially for beginners. Then the spray and pray method was adopted. I currently carry a .40 s&w. 45 ACP Ballistics The attacker broke in through that door and the lady emptied her revolver into the guy before he was stopped. Not to mention the permanent fragmentation wounds are nasty in themselves. I prefer to carry a 45acp because it rips arms off bodies and a 12 gauge in the house. Because according to BBTI, out of 10 different 9mm rounds tested, only one round, the Cor Bon 115 gr JHP +P, managed to make 500 foot lb in a 6" barrel. Pansies . It's just going to tear stuff up more in there. What metric are we using to judge us as the winners of ww2? Calibre has very little to do with it. I'll stay with my 45. They need a lot more practice. A big, fat, 230 grain hollow point at that speed will drop the MF faster than a 9mm any day of the week.. My state has a 10 round limit. There is a difference between an LEO and a civilian. My test pistols came in the uniform shape of a Glock 43 (3.39), Glock 19 (4), and Glock 34 (5.3). I am citing the work of others . HANDGUN BALLISTICS. And no the target is not shooting back so the stress level is low. Plan. I use Hornady critical defense in both caliber. Be familiar! Sure, they will both do the job, but a fatter heavier bullet is better for man stopping. I love your Pro / Con's of each. My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns, so I might buy a silencer for it if this will let me buy a gun for myself without him complaining about its sounds when I'm training. However, there might not be enough time for all that. Let me know in the comments below! The fact of the high muzzle velocity will lower the enteral damage done to organs . with two shots in the heart from a 40 S&W. A lot of posts and comments online like this are theory, maybe based on some truth or facts, but a lot of people theorize on this and that. And the proof he show. An in-depth look at 9mm ballistics. Both (roughly!) Let's be honest here, most gun handlers simply do not practice enough to be reliable pistoleers. like when they took away the man stopping .308 caliber M-14 and gave them a stinking .223 varmint round to fight a war with in Vietnam." Even in states with restrictions, you will shoot more accurately with 10x 9mm vs 10x ACP, so there is that in favor of the 9mm. This will eliminate the threat on fewer rounds. That said, I'm splitting hairs, because I can handle both well enough, and I would feel well armed with either. And, once you get below 9 rounds in the weapon, bullet effectiveness becomes much more important. One excellent example would be the Lehigh Defense max expansion loads in either caliber. Springfield 1911 A1 .45ACP +P ported and polished. Ballistic coefficient is a measurement of a projectiles ability to resist air drag. Wouldn't that make the.45 leap farther ahead again, in terms of "better"? If you are in a do or die situation and there is still one bad guy left you need to put down, and you only have one bullet left in your mag. practice once a month, and can do 6" group at 8-10 meters with pistol as far as pretty, get the desert camo and I had money left over for ammo. In .45 acp, with 230 grain target rounds we started shooting the same targets we shot with the 9mm and 38 spl, well guess what Second, our judges demand, that each shot has to be beforethought = you can shoot perp once and then you have to evaluate, if he stoped his attack. When comparing the two handguns, its important to note that the 9mm hasnt become better than the .45 ACPit just caught up to it. And speaking of commentswe had some fun with this video. Wrong, you change the angle. It's also recommended that you practise with a spray before you hit bear country, so you know how the spray works and how to spray effectively. i agree and i hear that every day. Due to its bulky size I generally leave it wedged in between the front seats of my truck so I can access it fairly quickly, I never badly carry it because of the uncomfortable size and also because I live in Florida a lot of people still dont support concealed carry as much as Id like them to so I worry about it peaking out from under the bottom of my shirt and causing an issue with someone. I have pistols chambered in .22lr, 9mm Luger, .40 S7W, 357 SIG, and .45 ACP. The lady and child suffered a terrible experience but survived. These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. But the 45 does outperform the 9mm realistically. The 25 loads tested characterize a spectrum of what is available today at retail and have representative samples from the least expensive range ammo to the most advanced self-defense loads made for the 9mm round. You have seconds literally to get your gun on to the bear. Enjoy your retirement. Its truly sad that worthless police management who sit on their asses all day behind their desk in their A/C can implement near-sighted ideas like this, but it is what it is. I like the heavier gun though due to the longer site radius, repeat target acquisition and the ability to steady the weapon. I own both calibers with two semi autos chambered for each. The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. This has been a very interesting post! The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. Knock down power is about energy transfer. This cookie can only be read from the domain they are set on and will not track any data while browsing through other sites. So .45 is the guarantee to punch big holes, with 9 you have to have the right conditions. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. Get Our Top Shooting Drills and Zeroing Targets ($47 value - but FREE for a limited time). How about because one half of the world isn't ruled by a racist fascist psychopathic government that's completely ok with genocide. Yeah, dude doesn't have a usable arm or leg anymore. Youre alluding to it but youve cited nothing But that does not make them the best. I soon will be adding a Colt Commander in 9mm to my cc option. I went along with more powerful is more effectiv and broke hammer struts on two N frames aka back to S&W factory. * Universal availability or AMMO--actually should be #1 !! . Now when you factor in shootability, cost, and capacity you can make an argument that the 9mm is the better round but it is NOT as effective as a 45 when it comes to terminal ballistics. All this "muzzle energy" nonsense is for the clueless ones pretending to understand physics. Hopefully he ll leave or be disoriented so you can leave in a safe direction. The 9mm generally comes in loads of between 88-147 grain. I also have rhe Rock Island 9mm/22 TCM & an AR 45 pistol. The 9mm earned international attention following WWI, partly due to its relatively small dimensions that permitted the design of high capacity magazines. Except for maybe a BB gun! The velocity gains experienced were so unsurprising that I found that I was able to guess before looking at the chronograph by the time I was shooting the Glock 34. LockA locked padlock I was using a Glock 17 and really liked it. The Ruger LC380 is her favorite. I have been shot, it happened in the suburbs back in '74. I also read several years ago about a young lad at home on his own, who had essentially been tasked with defending the home if anyone tried to break in. If cost is no issue then .45 is probably best. As a civilian I shouldnt find myself in a situation in the street to have to shoot into cars and where I live by code all exterior walls are concrete. My picks for rifles were 7.62 x 39 and 7.62 x 51. Since defensive rounds aren't an option, you'll want the highest grain bullet you can get, in a soft point wadcutterwhich I don't think are even available in 9mm or .45 ACP. Per chance were you assigned to Devonshire Division of LAPD? And if you shoot at a car,it sounds like a hammer when it hits,and the bad guys know its not a pop gun aiming down on them.They find the gas peddle most rikki tik. But what can you expect when it comes to 9mm ballistics velocity, energy, etc.? I'm not sure 45 is a good choice for bear country, most folks choose a large caliber magnum revolver with bonded solids for that job. Who are we? If the gun isn't comfortable to carry, chances are you won't every day carry, defeating the purpose. towards your level. Thanks for time well spent in putting this together, when we mix work with enjoyment we all benefit. I pray that America will get to that stage. Most people I know use hollow points as they tend to have less penetration through walls and the human body but leave aone nasty show stopping wound What is a "safer" 9mm ammo for home protection, one with similar (or if possible less) penetration risk vs. the average .45 ammo? Can't go wrong with that. I found all-steel frames a tad heavy for pocket carry, even in compact size. Bullet Weight: 124gr. I wrap my grips with stretch adhesive tape to give me a custom grip. 45 will make a bigger hole, which can be a decisive factor in lethality. My personal favorite without a doubt is the 1911 design, even though it's heavy, expensive to shoot, and has a limited magazine. I settled the issue by having 32, 380, 9mm and 45. But, had I not experienced it, I never would have believed it would happen to me. You never know what you can walk into or what might bust in your door. Locked padlock i was using a Glock 17 and really liked it velocity the. 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